tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post2388613081069799458..comments2023-12-24T13:03:35.696+00:00Comments on Miserable Old Fart: Plaid 2016 ElectionAlwyn ap Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-51355427903215647862015-05-24T03:40:51.124+01:002015-05-24T03:40:51.124+01:00It isn't the same as assuming that everybody w...It isn't the same as assuming that everybody who didn't vote in '97 was opposed to devolution, it's saying that the turnout reflected the fact that both Yes and No failed to persuade the majority to give a sod about devolution one way or the otherAlwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-30043015134068480692015-05-18T11:07:51.192+01:002015-05-18T11:07:51.192+01:00The UK voting system is undemocratic anyway, the d...The UK voting system is undemocratic anyway, the debate on AV and PR is what we should be doing now. Primarily because Wales will never win any debate whilst London alone can vote us down. Labour prided itself on being the party of the working man and the downtrodden, now it is out because it tried to be that while emulating the tories to win England's middle class vote, while not creating mervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-47628839842493554412015-05-10T22:56:32.376+01:002015-05-10T22:56:32.376+01:00Can't agree, Alwyn. To make assumptions like t...Can't agree, Alwyn. To make assumptions like that is no better than arguing that everybody who didn't vote in the 1997 devolution referendum was opposed to devolution.Jac o' the North,https://www.blogger.com/profile/02032744625666336148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-63137682870377612592015-05-10T20:16:24.868+01:002015-05-10T20:16:24.868+01:00I see no evidence of a strong Tory or UKIP vote, n...I see no evidence of a strong Tory or UKIP vote, nor a lurch rightwards; the only strong vote in the last 10 elections has been the no show vote; the lurch has been can't-be-botheredward. I don't have any evidence to prove it but I would strongly suspect that those not voting are to the left of new Labour, people who feel that no party has any hope to offer them.Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-28175365779419891062015-05-10T17:36:22.627+01:002015-05-10T17:36:22.627+01:00With the Tory/UKIP vote so strong and the lurch ri...With the Tory/UKIP vote so strong and the lurch rightwards, how long do you think it will take for a referendum on abolition the Welsh Assembly to make its way up the political agenda?<br /><br />I’ll make a prediction that the Assembly results will be exactly as they were on Thursday, because neither Plaid Cymru or Labour have got the faintest idea what’s going on with the electorate or how to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-45640716832514433832015-05-10T16:10:49.587+01:002015-05-10T16:10:49.587+01:00I agree with much of what you say, there are hundr...I agree with much of what you say, there are hundreds of thousands of non voters, non registered, they are the disenfranchised who feel that no political party can represent them.Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.com