tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post3246586975675137889..comments2023-12-24T13:03:35.696+00:00Comments on Miserable Old Fart: Do you remember 1979?Alwyn ap Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-4829544927400790862007-06-14T07:21:00.000+01:002007-06-14T07:21:00.000+01:00You are right to state that the Labour party can't...You are right to state that the Labour party can't deliver its membership. In any case if Labour is unpopular then the referendum could be seen as a chance to deliver a verdict on both the Labour govt in Westminster and Cardiff Bay. The last referendum would probably not have been won if it had not been held in the wake of Labour's 1997 triumph. A vote against the assembly was seen as vote for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-63601366370202744402007-06-14T02:22:00.000+01:002007-06-14T02:22:00.000+01:00Yeh, forget it.Yeh, forget it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-17880175784840461632007-06-13T18:37:00.000+01:002007-06-13T18:37:00.000+01:00Yes, I think that there are very many in Labour wh...Yes, I think that there are very many in Labour who would prefer to see the Westminster Tories rule Wales. What you are failing to understand is that they are Brit nationalists first and foremostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-79325998311333587812007-06-13T16:37:00.000+01:002007-06-13T16:37:00.000+01:00After the next Westminster election before 2010 wi...After the next Westminster election before 2010 with a likely Tory win, will Labour in Wales still hold back from really supporting a referendum?<BR/>Can you see them agreeing that direct Tory rule is in Wales's best interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-30466867620463064252007-06-13T15:21:00.000+01:002007-06-13T15:21:00.000+01:00Ah, more bubbles. Where have they sprung from so s...Ah, more bubbles. Where have they sprung from so suddenly?<BR/><BR/>A botched referndum will help no-one, this is true. A 'yes' vote is by no means certain. But what IS certain is that if Labour move heaven and earth to oppose a 'yes' vote, it will fail. This is not 'bubble' speak'- this staring a harsh reality in the face and not blinking. <BR/><BR/>Granted, this is a real dilemma. A successful gwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020459348361714337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-12883775683701345812007-06-13T12:55:00.000+01:002007-06-13T12:55:00.000+01:00Quite right! Anyone outside the political bubble ...Quite right! Anyone outside the political bubble knows that all kinds of issues get mixed up with the referendum question - the fact that most voters think that all politicians are a bunch of self-serving, money wasting, society harming idiots for example.<BR/><BR/>No, the referendum route serves the interests of the unionists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com