tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post3580001907275763731..comments2023-12-24T13:03:35.696+00:00Comments on Miserable Old Fart: Vote Leanne WoodAlwyn ap Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-57660726752032016192012-01-29T19:49:11.321+00:002012-01-29T19:49:11.321+00:00Above all other of leanne's outstanding qualit...Above all other of leanne's outstanding qualities, for me, her background in a non-Welsh speaking working class family in the Rhondda is the one that is going to allow us to make the breakthrough in the Labour heartlands that we have to do if we are to achieve the independence that we all want. I know that you can't help your background, and leanne is lucky rather than skilful in this Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-53985030438472269432012-01-25T10:03:30.763+00:002012-01-25T10:03:30.763+00:00"Yes, she is a socialist. But in addition, sh..."Yes, she is a socialist. But in addition, she is a liberal and believes in the power of communities and local democracy" Don't think Leanne would describe herself as a liberal. But her commitment to communities is unquestioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-20159543860550448982012-01-24T21:09:43.019+00:002012-01-24T21:09:43.019+00:00Chwarae teg. Certainly like all parties Plaid has ...Chwarae teg. Certainly like all parties Plaid has a spectrum of opinion. Also it's wise not just to vote on politics alone. Skills such as engaging with people, communicating well and being hard working also come into play. <br /><br />Also agree with the comments above about Leanne's politics. Yes, she is a socialist. But in addition, she is a liberal and believes in the power of Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385290659560076011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-35253941837971520862012-01-24T11:57:04.194+00:002012-01-24T11:57:04.194+00:00Alwyn, if i han't been sitting down
when i rea...Alwyn, if i han't been sitting down<br />when i read this i'd have fallen over mate 8-)great stuff, UNITY IS STRENGTH!!<br />Personally i've always assumed that the centre right would form their own party when Cymru had reached a certain stage in it's progression but only after the one aim we all hold to our hearts is nearing completion.<br />Elyboy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-84944668550552968872012-01-24T00:42:11.212+00:002012-01-24T00:42:11.212+00:00Anon 23/01/2012 22:24; If you think that Arfon is ...Anon 23/01/2012 22:24; If you think that Arfon is a part of the Stalinist loony left you may as well accuse me of being a Trotskyite! Arfon may well be to the left of Welsh Labour, but so are Gutto Bebb and John Buffton!Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-68410543465040737242012-01-23T22:45:40.746+00:002012-01-23T22:45:40.746+00:00Left libertarian actually!
We are a broad based pa...Left libertarian actually!<br />We are a broad based party and should welcome all who believe in independence and shouldn't be restricted to just economic and social values.Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-87938128959246812662012-01-23T22:24:53.507+00:002012-01-23T22:24:53.507+00:00Plaid Gwersyllt advocating a right wing group n Pl...Plaid Gwersyllt advocating a right wing group n Plaid? must be some sort of stalinist trick, everyone knows he's part of the looney leftAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-61270033621081434722012-01-23T18:53:13.706+00:002012-01-23T18:53:13.706+00:00People in Plaid or nationalism that are 'centr...People in Plaid or nationalism that are 'centre-right' tend to be more liberal than Conservative. In that way they share some values with Leanne Wood on the importance of a sense of localism and tradition, even though Leanne Wood is a dyed-in-the-wool socialist rather than a liberal. There is at least some cross over with her views and the Blaid's generally. I have a feeling that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-11233280257520940392012-01-23T17:34:45.294+00:002012-01-23T17:34:45.294+00:00Better a politician who possesses clear beliefs. ...Better a politician who possesses clear beliefs. There is so little of that in politics these days. Its all so wishy-washy, and all most of them seem to be concerned with is their re-election (and their expense accounts). Vote for her or not, but at least admire the lady's convictions.Sipp investmentshttp://www.greenworldbvi.com/uk-based-alternative-sipps-investments/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-70432509801248495892012-01-23T17:16:58.142+00:002012-01-23T17:16:58.142+00:00I think Borthlas draws the distinction between Con...I think Borthlas draws the distinction between Conviction politicians and those that tell you what you want to hear. Unlike you MOF I do back the Social values that Leanne represents and am reassured that her honest pursuit of Independence reassures you enough to back her. <br /><br />I do think Plaid's demise is due to the weak messages issued with regards to Independence. Plaid is the Britnothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02669397941937145052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-90577405070500287352012-01-23T14:52:31.113+00:002012-01-23T14:52:31.113+00:00It would be a sign of appalling political judgemen...It would be a sign of appalling political judgement if the centrist minority in Plaid were to set up an internal faction. Our opponents would easily be able to say to the people of Wales that we were split and unsure of the kind of party we are. Im simply unaware of anything good ever coming from this "nationalist centre right" that we hear so much about online but never see a peep of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-68564045232574476932012-01-23T09:36:46.813+00:002012-01-23T09:36:46.813+00:00Cytuno cant y cant Miserable. I'm of the same ...Cytuno cant y cant Miserable. I'm of the same persuasion as you but come to the same conclusion. <br /><br />Leanne is a risk but chosing one of the other 3 is a bigger risk. <br /><br />Plaid's had 12 years of managerialism, don't rock the boat, don't say anything vaguely contentious (except on bloody Iraq over which we have no power ... which, of course is the reason Plaid'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-8888203378116764722012-01-23T09:30:35.141+00:002012-01-23T09:30:35.141+00:00I rejoined Plaid because there was one leadership ...I rejoined Plaid because there was one leadership candidate who was not ambivalent about independence. I also believe that she presents a set of political beliefs that could win the hearts and minds of the bulk of the country and so is most likely to win most votes for Plaid and thus for an independent Wales. <br />I’m lucky enough to hold similar political views to her and so there is no dilemmaGwalchmeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16080961889508704219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-73537985965809733932012-01-23T09:28:55.681+00:002012-01-23T09:28:55.681+00:00Probably quite a few would re-join if there was a ...Probably quite a few would re-join if there was a centre right grouping within Plaid Cymru. Brian Morgan Edwards and the Hydro Group seems to be a long time ago.Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.com