tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post3836113263186032648..comments2023-12-24T13:03:35.696+00:00Comments on Miserable Old Fart: Plaid's Living Wage should be supported by both Right and Left!Alwyn ap Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-45728342179693648402010-08-29T11:00:59.081+01:002010-08-29T11:00:59.081+01:00Once solution to the ludicrous situation where you...Once solution to the ludicrous situation where you can be taxed and still get benefits would be the merging of the systems. I have no problem with that, effectively increasing the tax allowance - though tax credits only really benefit people with dependants at the moment.Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-36937365244096400622010-08-28T04:13:58.160+01:002010-08-28T04:13:58.160+01:00Actually Cibwr the Druid makes a fair point when h...Actually Cibwr the Druid makes a fair point when he mentions the level of taxation!<br /> <br />The main top up benefit that the low waged get is "tax credit" – they are taxed by one department of the civil service, and then (after filling complicated forms) they are given a credit - the tax back - by somebody working in another department! It would be more efficient, less bureaucratic Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-40987376414187947382010-08-26T10:26:33.696+01:002010-08-26T10:26:33.696+01:00With all due respect what benefits are we talking ...With all due respect what benefits are we talking about here, I've worked for the min wage and tell me what benefits are you saying I'd lose, seeing as Labour have ended income support, income support was the benefit filler which was used to give people enough money to live on, and I know nobody in the building trade who ever had income support.<br /><br />The fact is we have always had Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-33489478760353766802010-08-23T19:31:55.334+01:002010-08-23T19:31:55.334+01:00Link text
This would be same as the Catholic con...<a href="http://mikecrid.blogspot.com/2010/08/living-wage-just-wage_23.html/2010/08/living-wage-just-wage_23.html" rel="nofollow">Link text</a> <br /><br />This would be same as the Catholic concept of the Just wage.the Blog what I Wrote https://www.blogger.com/profile/11201806049299435867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-48146763532296380652010-08-23T17:06:47.871+01:002010-08-23T17:06:47.871+01:00I would say that any company that pays its employe...I would say that any company that pays its employees less than the minimum that they can live on is living in an unreal world. They are not economically viable. Tesco is not one of those companies, it makes vast profits and gathers an indirect subsidy from me and all other tax payers. While there may be an argument for temporary subsidies to enable strategic industries to survive a day to day Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-33412199270821191072010-08-23T13:12:00.627+01:002010-08-23T13:12:00.627+01:00"Any company which consistently pays workers ..."Any company which consistently pays workers above the economic contribution of their work will eventually fail..."<br /><br />As defined by their own narrow self interested definition of what is 'contribution'...Plaid Panteghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01245469394371943152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-34942300911910802102010-08-23T11:50:15.174+01:002010-08-23T11:50:15.174+01:00Cibwr - "Paying below a level where you can o...Cibwr - "Paying below a level where you can only live by getting state subsidies is by definition exploitation. Its requiring the tax payer to pay a company to make profit."<br /><br />Simply re-stating the above point does not make an argument - it is simply demagogy. Any company which consistently pays workers above the economic contribution of their work will eventually fail - this Paul Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01021606156107333019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-68431762523759956802010-08-23T10:44:20.695+01:002010-08-23T10:44:20.695+01:00"Paying below a level where you can only live..."Paying below a level where you can only live by getting state subsidies is by definition exploitation. Its requiring the tax payer to pay a company to make profit."<br /><br />Nail.On.HeadPlaid Panteghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01245469394371943152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-9478824811657525972010-08-23T10:14:59.883+01:002010-08-23T10:14:59.883+01:00Paying below a level where you can only live by ge...Paying below a level where you can only live by getting state subsidies is by definition exploitation. Its requiring the tax payer to pay a company to make profit. The incentive is that if you work hard and gain qualifications you can get a better paid job that will enable you to afford more of the nice things in life, like holidays and the odd luxury. Alwyn is right, the real scroungers hereCibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-5950512249148140332010-08-23T10:13:42.143+01:002010-08-23T10:13:42.143+01:00Quite right Alwyn. The best way to reduce the bene...Quite right Alwyn. The best way to reduce the benefits bill is to ensure that jobs pay enough.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-84943698579776493632010-08-22T22:00:09.350+01:002010-08-22T22:00:09.350+01:00As I seem to be the only contrary voice, I'm h...As I seem to be the only contrary voice, I'm happy to carry on playing Devil's Advocate.<br /><br />Plaid Panteg says "why it is acceptable that someone working full time in Tesco is still poor enough to need state subsidy? Why should taxpayers essentially top up Tesco's wages?"<br /><br />I'll make two points: (1) Tesco currently employs 380,000 mostly low-skilled Paul Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01021606156107333019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-243167237986876812010-08-22T19:28:59.036+01:002010-08-22T19:28:59.036+01:00"Research for the Ed Miliband campaign by the..."Research for the Ed Miliband campaign by the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows that companies paying below the "living wage" cost the taxpayer between £5.9bn and £6.3bn a year. "<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/22/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-labour-leadershipPlaid Panteghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01245469394371943152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-1941907543329876712010-08-22T17:59:44.072+01:002010-08-22T17:59:44.072+01:00Druid it is not just the young, the inexperienced ...Druid it is not just the young, the inexperienced and the unskilled who need benefits to top up their wages. Go into almost any hairdressing salon in Wales and you will find fully qualified stylists with years of experience who get child credits and income support to top up their wages, there are farm labourers in Wales who have been working the land for 20 or 30 years who still get the basic Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-52401717666992678732010-08-22T15:23:34.350+01:002010-08-22T15:23:34.350+01:00And taken from my post on that site here is my rep...And taken from my post on that site here is my reply:<br /><br />We used to have wage councils - introduced by Churchill because bad employers drove wages down for good employers. Their pay rates were modest - but they were supposed to be a living wage. The varied sector to sector but were an excellent safety net. Thatcher's government abolished them. <br /><br />Back in the 19th century a Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-41097716597569715682010-08-22T12:58:25.023+01:002010-08-22T12:58:25.023+01:00Spot on Alwyn.
What I don't get from the nays...Spot on Alwyn.<br /><br />What I don't get from the naysayers (me and druid had a ding dong when I raised something similar on my own blog) is why it is acceptable that someone working full time in Tesco is still poor enough to need state subsidy? Why should taxpayers essentially top up Tesco's wages?<br /><br />The same people who said the minimum wage would means millions of job losses Plaid Panteghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01245469394371943152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-89529400035913953492010-08-22T11:10:08.029+01:002010-08-22T11:10:08.029+01:00Alwyn - With respect, it has nothing to do with th...Alwyn - With respect, it has nothing to do with these proposals being suggested by the "wrong party". Neither proposals are radically new, neither have not been suggested previously.<br /><br />A "living wage" may sound like an easy-to-implement and attractive panacea for all ills, but like all government interventions into the market it would also inevitably have unintended Paul Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01021606156107333019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-55844472687059777872010-08-22T10:03:30.246+01:002010-08-22T10:03:30.246+01:00A conversation between two labourers working for a...A conversation between two labourers working for a Merthyr Tydfil construction company about three years ago ...<br /><br />"we have to be careful that we don't lose our benefits, speak to J.... "<br /><br />The labouring fraternity at this company saw the need to moderate wages to maximise their earnings, they perceived earnings as wages plus benefits.<br /><br />Could it be the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-75747167259299625022010-08-22T08:00:11.124+01:002010-08-22T08:00:11.124+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.com