tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post7498584311345740167..comments2023-12-24T13:03:35.696+00:00Comments on Miserable Old Fart: Defining marriage to exclude gays!Alwyn ap Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-21756672825735875532013-02-25T09:38:12.792+00:002013-02-25T09:38:12.792+00:00Well, MM, I don't think it's hypocritical ...Well, MM, I don't think it's hypocritical to live and let live where other people are not doing any harm.And let's hear it for couch potatoes. Conviction and pushiness are overrated. If you think you know what's best for other people and try to impose it on them, you're one of the most dangerous people in the world. A guy who does nothing all day but lie on a couch, watching Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-74882815944234602082013-02-25T09:29:00.060+00:002013-02-25T09:29:00.060+00:00MM. you're always saying this sort of that peo...MM. you're always saying this sort of that people take liberties with Christianity that they wouldn't dare with Islam. But isn't it a good thing that mainstream Christianity has become so civilised that it doesn't much go in for persecition anymore. It's not a sign of weakness but of strength that they're not bothered about mockers and dissidents. To some extent they haveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-58213994205956722102012-03-27T14:03:42.780+01:002012-03-27T14:03:42.780+01:00Church/Civil who cares basically... this is the gr...Church/Civil who cares basically... this is the great British approach, Brits are almost totally apathetic, we don't care what anyone does, but, we will oppose those who do because that makes us think, and we don't want to do that or make decisions..... If not for that apathetic approach, most mistakenly assume we are a democracy, and not a nation of bone-idle couch potatoes who don'mervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-51952921092469830342012-03-22T21:02:15.054+00:002012-03-22T21:02:15.054+00:00What a stupid comment anon, for your information I...What a stupid comment anon, for your information I am neither a minister of religion or a homophobeAlwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-77162788577303357732012-03-22T10:53:19.663+00:002012-03-22T10:53:19.663+00:00I have no problem with what a church wants to do, ...I have no problem with what a church wants to do, but its ordinances stop at its doors, it has no right to tell me what I should do or not do. It certainly has no right in telling the state that it has no right to permit people of the same sex to marry. It has no right telling another church what it may do. Marriage is not a biological construct its a social one, we have moved on from the daysCibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-61610786467544468372012-03-22T04:57:10.850+00:002012-03-22T04:57:10.850+00:00MM Misery is a preacher, I think that what he is s...MM Misery is a preacher, I think that what he is saying and you don't get is that it is up to him who he decides to marry, he is also well known for being a homophobe so he wouldn't allow gays to marry in his church, he wants to ban gays from marrying in his church himself because he don't like them not because the Tory's or the Catholics say he cantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-26404516186934930282012-03-21T10:56:43.970+00:002012-03-21T10:56:43.970+00:00Not my business not yours, and I am supporting tho...Not my business not yours, and I am supporting those who do attend religion to act as they please, it's their belief. Petulant ? I am simply agreeing with the right to hold belief. There are more important issues than just gay rights frankly, i.e. everyone else's. As I read politica IS attempting to overrule religion by declaring its own stance on what marriage means. I have no idea mervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-83762554436088222712012-03-21T02:31:29.812+00:002012-03-21T02:31:29.812+00:00But you have still not addressed the issue in your...But you have still not addressed the issue in your petulant response MM. Why should any other body, be it political or religious, define the ordinances of the Methodist Church other than the Methodist Conference? Why should Catholics, Anglicans, Atheists, Politicians or even you decide who an Unitarian minister can marry?Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-66517772362755103552012-03-20T19:48:54.996+00:002012-03-20T19:48:54.996+00:00Sigh, this is the issue isn't it, ? people who...Sigh, this is the issue isn't it, ? people who oppose never understand. If we had an ceiniog for every time we got that response....... Most token polls in the uk so far are 6/7-4 against. Those that were 'for' could not give a real reason why they approved, they just came out with the stock "Live and let live.." which is the good old UK attitude of 'beats me mate...mervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-85912613918086921932012-03-20T08:51:58.560+00:002012-03-20T08:51:58.560+00:00Actually we don't have to agree to differ beca...Actually we don't have to agree to differ because you don't seem to have grasped what the issue is, you are promoting that certain churches should have a veto over what other churches can do, and indeed what the civil authorities can do. No one is suggesting that the Catholic or Anglican Church in England be compelled to marry same sex couples. What is being suggested is that civil Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-55827303072142012422012-03-19T21:29:39.021+00:002012-03-19T21:29:39.021+00:00"MM this isn't an argument about "ga..."MM this isn't an argument about "gay rights" v "religious rights", if it was I would be on religions side 100%. It is a question about religious freedom!"<br /><br />Yer pays yer money you make that choice... It is, and there is no proper platform to debate/oppose either, there is no place for compromise, and the human rights system in the UK is an in-joke formervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-70196249623261725912012-03-16T03:04:42.523+00:002012-03-16T03:04:42.523+00:00MM this isn't an argument about "gay righ...MM this isn't an argument about "gay rights" v "religious rights", if it was I would be on religions side 100%. It is a question about religious freedom!<br /><br />The law, as it stands, says that a Methodist Minister cannot marry a gay couple. The Catholic Church and the Church of England are saying that such a prohibition should remain in force against the Methodist Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-59925243732661424132012-03-15T20:40:26.887+00:002012-03-15T20:40:26.887+00:00MM, I take issue with every single sentence of you...MM, I take issue with every single sentence of your comment, and shall deal with them one by one below:<br /><br />“I would empathise if Gays were prevented from 'marriage' but they have a right in civil law don't they ?”<br /><br />'Gays' (sic) are prevented from marriage in civil law, that is why the government is planning to legalise civil law marriages. <br /><br /><br />“Welsh Agendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123802771650817748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-20099999196506589022012-03-13T08:43:45.688+00:002012-03-13T08:43:45.688+00:00I would empathise if Gays were prevented from '...I would empathise if Gays were prevented from 'marriage' but they have a right in civil law don't they ? So I wouldn't see the catholic (Or any other religious Stance), as unreasonable. It isn't just the church is it ? there are numerous 'male/female' only areas that exist, gays accept and do not challenge, there isn't consistency. The gay lobby is far to mervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-78609508220121504402012-03-12T01:57:54.433+00:002012-03-12T01:57:54.433+00:00The problem with the Catholic Church's stance ...The problem with the Catholic Church's stance is that they are not saying that they are opposed as an institution to Gay Marriage, they are saying that institutions out with the Catholic Church shouldn't be allowed to perform gay marriages if they so desire. I understand that the Quakers would welcome the opportunity to perform such marriages as would some liberal Jewish denominations; Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-54353794209669446852012-03-11T17:31:58.962+00:002012-03-11T17:31:58.962+00:00I think it is up to the church to decide who they ...I think it is up to the church to decide who they will or won't marry via their religious belief and institution's. There is ample opportunity for gays to form partnerships legally elsewhere, can't see what the fuss is about. It is pretty clear Gays do NOT challenge Islamic religious areas at all in the UK, nor would they dare. What concerns me personally is the 'war' onmervynjames224https://www.blogger.com/profile/06689615164654187617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-78707386510858325992012-03-10T12:26:09.606+00:002012-03-10T12:26:09.606+00:00If there's one thing that should be abolished ...If there's one thing that should be abolished it's organised religions such as the catholic church. They are one of the most foul organisations there is.<br /><br />Here's a few of their crimes against hummanity.<br /><br />Guilty of helping spread AIDs throughout the developing world by it's banning of contraception.<br />Guilty of hushing up paedophilia practiced by it's Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11475962539522399975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-91822651095434242712012-03-10T11:56:53.390+00:002012-03-10T11:56:53.390+00:00The Roman Catholic Church tried the same tactics o...The Roman Catholic Church tried the same tactics of using inflammatory language in the run-up to the national elections before last in Spain when the then Government was pushing gay marriage legislation through the Cortes. Of course Spain is much more of a Catholic nation than the UK, but the Government got is Bill through the Cortes and it became law.<br /><br />No doubt that <i>wacko</i> Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10393265755614039206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-82290964510745164812012-03-10T07:51:40.780+00:002012-03-10T07:51:40.780+00:00you are right of course... in practice the Catholi...you are right of course... in practice the Catholic church has redefined marriage several times in its history, and outside that church marriage has mean many things, plural marriages, marriage by proxy, child marriage etc, there is even evidence for the blessing of same sex marriages in the early middle ages. <br /><br />His language was deliberately inflammatory, and those states and Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8120478390983403863.post-40610080652076600312012-03-10T07:21:45.803+00:002012-03-10T07:21:45.803+00:00As Ben Summerskill put it "If you don't l...As Ben Summerskill put it "If you don't like same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex."glynbeddauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933352430631144936noreply@blogger.com